Where, What, When

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jim mac
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Another set of query locations requiring your assistance.
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dunalastairv
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Re: Where, What, When

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Initial thoughts, without fully checking:
A. Kilsyth.
B. Aberfeldy - definitely.
C. Alloa.
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Post by Alan K »

What is the plate on the back of 55213? It looks like it might be a CR number plate. I've seen photos of the rear of 264 Class pugs in LMS or BR livery with what appear to be old CR plates. Anybody know anything about that?

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dunalastairv
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It's a water capacity plate - an L.M.S. standard item.
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Ah! Didn't think of that. Thanks Michael.

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Jim Summers
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Still mulling these pictures over, but I can say definitely that C is not Alloa, which had the entrance from street level parallel to the track, and there was a two-road bay (used by Caley trains) inset into the island platform.

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I am still looking for suggestions regarding the three locations in the post of 4th July. While you are working on them can you also tackle the following three:
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Angus McIntosh
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Jim
From your latest 3 photographs I suggest No 3 is Ferryhill.

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caley739
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For photo 1 a Google search shows that Glasgow tram route 26 ran from Burnside or Rutherglen & Scotstoun, Clydebank or Dalmuir West. But so far I cannot pin it down to other than that general area.
For photo 3 definitely Aberdeen Ferryhill shed in period 1963-67.

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I now think Kilbowie station is a strong possibility for photo 1.

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caley739 wrote:For photo 1 a Google search shows that Glasgow tram route 26 ran from Burnside or Rutherglen & Scotstoun, Clydebank or Dalmuir West. But so far I cannot pin it down to other than that general area.
I've been on Google maps all along Glasgow Road/Dumbarton Road through Bridgeton to Rutherglen and I can't work out where this might have been - a traffic light junction with one route going under the railway embankment. It looks like L&D going west from Glasgow with the raised line but I can't think of anywhere where the main road ran close to the elevated railway line with a main tram route on it. That also looks like a Central SMT bus stop.

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I too have been looking, using NLS maps, both 6" and 25", but in vain
The No.26 tram went along Dumbarton Road, ultimately to Dalmuir. The destination board says "Scotstoun" but shadows dont help establish whether it is travelling East or West
There appears to be a station building behind the (stopped?) train, reinforcing the L&D suggestion, which was my first inclination when I saw the pic.
The presence of a SMT bus stop is possible as services to eg Dumbarton, Vale of Leven etc would have used Dumbarton Road
Sorry, I can shed no more light on the location
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jasp wrote: The No.26 tram went along Dumbarton Road, ultimately to Dalmuir. The destination board says "Scotstoun" but shadows dont help establish whether it is travelling East or West.
I was assuming that the destination board was accurate and the tram was westbound to Dalmuir. I knew the "front road" from Dumbarton to Glasgow quite well since I was up and down it regularly going to work. I had an early morning shift start on some days and going that way gave me a fall back on a tram or bus if the motorcycle broke down. :) And I can't think of anywhere that a west facing tram would have the L&D embankment to the north of the tram lines in such close proximity. I'm thinking it might be at the Rutherglen end but I don't know that area well.
There appears to be a station building behind the (stopped?) train, reinforcing the L&D suggestion, which was my first inclination when I saw the pic.


I also think there might be a station behind the train which should be a clue. The train and loco look to be a typical L&D train in the (possibly) 50s.

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Hi Jim,
I am fairly certain the location below is Burnside. It matches the NLS extract below;

download/file.php?id=3159

https://maps.nls.uk/view/82892310#zoom= ... &layers=BT

Gaz.
jim mac wrote:I am still looking for suggestions regarding the three locations in the post of 4th July. While you are working on them can you also tackle the following three:
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gazman424 wrote:Hi Jim,
I am fairly certain the location below is Burnside. It matches the NLS extract below;
Here's the up-to-date view on Google Streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.8170679 ... 312!8i6656

The distinctive roof line of the tenements confirms.

I did wonder if the tram lines stopped in the foreground but couldn't convince myself that it wasn't wishful thinking. :)

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I'm intrigued by the signal box photo with the double line junction.....can anybody help there?

kind regards,

Robert
Jim Summers
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Not I, I regret, Robert.

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Alisdair
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Post by Alisdair »

The Burnside location photo with the no.26 tram, would have been taken between 16/11/58 and1/6/61, according the information on Service 26 given in http://www.semple.biz/glasgow/gct%20tra ... tes2.shtml.
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Loch Awe wrote:I'm intrigued by the signal box photo with the double line junction.....can anybody help there?

kind regards,

Robert
I did wonder if it could be Lugton East Junction, but not able to completely convince myself.
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Gaz
I am fairly certain the location below is Burnside. It matches the NLS extract below;
Your post seems to have fixed the location, the map and the photograph match well and, by closer examination of the photograph, the tracks do not continue towards the photographer.

Burnside was the terminus for both the 26 and 18 tram routes and it seems we are looking at the rear of tram before it sets off for Scotstoun
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A further location query plus any comments on the locomotive, which appears to be a class 670 but with a 4-wheel tender rather than the usual 6-wheel version.
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Re: Where, What, When

Post by lindsay_g »

Isn't that Slateford viaduct?
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Post by jimwatt2mm »

lindsay_g wrote:Isn't that Slateford viaduct?
I'd agree with Lindsay. The little cottage in the left background and the dye works to the right all fit with the map. https://maps.nls.uk/view/82877487

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I think the number 17020 can just be made out on the tender. This engine did run coupled to a 4 wheel tender when allocated to Dalry Road in LMS days. "An Illustrated History of LMS Locomotives Vol.3" by Essery/Jenkinson plate 167 shows it with said tender. Baxter has the loco withdrawn in 1932 and has an interesting footnote that it was latterly used only for tube cleaning at Edinburgh by connecting tube cleaning rod to brake pipe !! Presumably it is seen here before demotion to such lowly duties.

A much poorer version of this photo featured in a forum thread as long ago as 2014 copied from The Railway Magazine January 1935. It is attributed to JJ Cunningham.



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Post by Sinclair »

Yes - Slateford. And yes - has been on the Forum before here.

Great that we have tracked down a higher resolution copy of the image.
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