4mm locomotive lining - transfers?

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lawman
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4mm locomotive lining - transfers?

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Having (slowly) been constructing a layout & stock, I'm rapidly approaching that stage where I'll need to start lining locomotives. I've lined a 439 tank using white/black/white waterslide transfers from Fox but ideally need to find something suitable for black locomotives. I've found straight & curved individual red & white transfers on their website but don't know if these will be suitable for lining of wheelsplashers. Knowing my present limitations with a lining pen, does anyone out there know of a source of suitable transfers?
I had thought of asking one of the transfer suppliers if they would be able to make something as I don't have a suitable printer for a DIY attempt - if so, would there be any demand to have a batch of transfers made up and the costs shared?

Iain
jasp
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Post by jasp »

Hi
What scale are you working in?
If 4mm, I would be interested
Jim P
BillAuld
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Post by BillAuld »

Have you tried Modelmaster Decals, they have a website. Only problem is if you use the BR mixed traffic lining and reverse it you hit problems with the reverse curves. It would be OK for straight lines though.
They also do nice white/black/white lining sold as LNER.
John Lindsay
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Post by John Lindsay »

I have a similar problem. I am half way through lining a black Jumbo in 4mm. I am reasonably happy with the straight lines using HRMC press fix separate red and white lining, although both are a bit thick and the red too dominant. I suspect it will be ok with a bit of weathering. I filled in the corners with a small paint brush. I tried the BR mixed traffic red and grey, but felt the red dominated even more as the 'white' is grey.

I did the boiler bands using white backed crafty computer printer transfer paper with black and red lines printed on it and then trimmed very close to get the outer white line. I used a simple inkjet printer and then put on three coats of acrylic varnish as the instructions recommend.

I have now got to the splashers. I have tried the HRMS LNER loco lining red curves which, whilst much finer than the straight lines, fit well. (In retrospect, perhaps the LNER black loco fine red lining would have been better for the straight lines too.) I have now paused while I think about the white. Any suggestions would be welcome!

I found the Modelmaster LNER white and black lining good for my first blue loco, but a bit thick. I think the company has said it is going to stop printing this product soon, but it is still on the website.

John
JimG
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Post by JimG »

John,

Have you thought about printing a transfer for the whole splasher? I only raise this since I have been thinking ahead to the problem (for me!!) of painting and lining locomotives and I have been thinking of generating larger transfers to include the colour of the locomotive for difficult areas like splashers and cab sides - this to cut down on the disguising of the transfer base.

JimG.
John Lindsay
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Post by John Lindsay »

Jim

I have fiddled about with shapes in Word this evening trying out a whole splasher approach as you suggested. It looks quite promising at the moment. I will let you know how I get on when I try printing on the white backed transfer paper.

John
Dave John
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I have tried various methods over the years and have never been totally happy with any of them. If a manufacturer did produce a CR lining sheet I would be a customer.
John Lindsay
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Post by John Lindsay »

A quick update.

I tried printing the lining for the splashers on my black Jumbo on crafty computer transfer paper with some success.

It was a bit of a compromise. I found that following the recommendations of the manufacturer and using the normal print setting on my inkjet printer gave a black that was not dense enough. Changing the setting to photo quality gave a much better Black, but the ink trends to spread a little and the red line was thinner as a result. I also used a little too much varnish, but that worked out ok.

I didn't attempt to line the sand box under the smoke box in this way; instead I used straight line transfers and a bit of free hand for the curves.

I am reasonably pleased with the result and might work up the confidence to post a picture!

Cheers

John
LarryC
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Post by LarryC »

I really enjoyed looking at Dave John's Kelvinbank layout in TTL 163. It is a masterclass in modelling. He said he had difficulties with painting and lining. I too have had problems with lining. While the Fox Transfers work reasonably well for blue locos (wheel splashers excepted) I have struggled with goods locos. I still have stocks of the old SMS red lining (though that means carefully cutting round the linings as the carrier film covers the entire sheet), coupled with a second stage applying Fox's white lining. It is difficult to get these parallel and the first layers of transfers need to be sealed with varnish to prevent them lifted when water from the second layer spreads.

Recently I have had more success with Fox's LNWR/BR lining, which has red/clear/grey lines. At a distance the grey is indistinguishable from white, and the lines are nicely parallel. Boiler bands can be done by layering one red line over another (pre-sealed with varnish) and the sheet 4075/7 has suitably radiused curves that can be used for splashers. The major problem is that most of the curves on the sheet have the red on the inside rather than the outside of curves. But I still a better result than previously.
Oban1939
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Perhaps we need to look at sponsoring a manufacturer as a group. Given the outstanding job the CRA has achieved with Lightmoor
LarryC
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I have approached Fox Transfers a couple of times. They were very helpful in re-jigging the coach transfers to make a new sheet giving a better mix of transfers to match Caley practice. On the other hand, they were not interested when I raised the subject of lining, which entailed a new sheet altogether.

It might have more clout if the CRA were to approach Fox on behalf of modellers. The greatest need is for lining for goods locos, as the LNER lining will do at a pinch for passenger stock.

If they were to produce goods loco lining, which would be red/clear/white, it would need to be fine enough. The really difficult bits where custom transfers would be invaluable are wheel splashers, cab cut outs and sandboxes (and perhaps bunker corners for tank locos). These would need to be in different radii to fit different locos. Boiler bands (white/clear/red/clear/ white) would also be helpful.

It might be worth raising the topic more widely to canvas support. My own circumstances are that I am nearer the end of my modelling career than the beginning but it might be useful to aid younger modellers.
Mike 1
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Post by Mike 1 »

More than one friend of mine has had one-off transfers made by Endon Valley Custom Decals. In spite of the word "Decal" they are in the UK and everyone seems very happy with them.

Mike
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